The Type A+ Podcast Season 3 Episode 1: From Overwhelmed to Unstoppable with Kimberly Sauceda, CPCC, PCC
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Episode Description:
The beginning of the year comes with a special kind of overwhelm: From the "New Year, New You!" rhetoric featured in the media to the pressure to set big goals, we most often lose the relationship with ourselves first.
In this episode, Kimberly Sauceda shares her strategies for creating high-performing, happy teams; writing that bestseller you've been creating an outline for; having tough conversations and building lasting relationships, brick by brick.
About Kimberly Sauceda:
With over 20 years of leading at top-tier companies including Apple iPhone launches, Kimberly now partners with organizations, teams, and leaders to reach their full potential and move from overwhelmed to unstoppable.
Kimberly has built high-performing, collaborative teams that drove 2x market growth. Her proven track record of success includes the introduction of game-changing products and the creation of the first-ever iPhone refurb program. She knows how to galvanize teams for engagement, retention, and innovation.
Now, a strategic partner to organizations, she supports them to build healthy, high-performing teams and talent, and is a sought-after thought partner for HR leaders and executives in Fortune 500 companies. Her bestselling book, Meet Me on the Bridge, has been called the guidebook for how to manage. She outlines the 9 bricks for creating strong relationships at work for both employees and managers.
Her speaking engagements also include: Geico's Leadership Summit (Keynote), Starbucks, Twitter, Colgate Palmolive, Roku, Bosch, and multiple times at Watermark.
Credentials include: Professional Certified Coach (PCC) through International Coaching Federation, Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC), Certified Executive Coach, Certified Leadership Coach, and Certified Positive Intelligence Coach.
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Episode Transcript can be found below:
Beth Lawrence (Intro + Announcement): Hello everyone, we're back after a long pause, thank you for allowing me to take this break and I hope you took time away as well. Before we get started on the first episode of season 3, a few announcements:
The podcast will now be published every 2 weeks instead of every week, so every other Thursday.
Season 3 will be interview format, and we're still looking for guests! DM us on Instagram @/thetypeapluspodcast if you'd like to be considered. And today, we're kicking off season 3 with a conversation with Kimberly Sauceda, who will take us From Overwhelmed to Unstoppable. Enjoy!
Beth Lawrence: Hi everyone. Welcome back to the type a plus podcast. I'm your host, Beth Lawrence. And today I'm thrilled to introduce you to my friend, Kimberly Sauceda, executive leadership coach, author, and international speaker among many other things. Kimberly, please introduce yourself to the audience and tell them what you do.
Kimberly Sauceda: Hi Beth! It's so great to be here. I have over 20 years leading at top tier companies like Apple and other organizations. What I'm doing now is I partner with organizations and teams and leaders to help them reach their full potential and move from overwhelmed to unstoppable, which is actually the name of my company from O2U, from overwhelmed to unstoppable.
I spent 20 years building really high performing collaborative teams that help grow 2x market growth. There were two big threads for me and one is all about relationships and the other one is really all about how you connect dots and help elevate the skills of people. So what I do now, I'm a strategic partner with HR professionals at top 500 companies.
I work with them so that they can create these high performing cultures that have lots of trust, respect, connection. And I leverage my book, Meet Me on the Bridge, that I wrote last year, and have a leadership program that came out of that.
So I'm an executive leadership coach. I have this leadership program. And then I also am a thought partner with organizations and leaders. And, and occasionally I'm also a fractional CMO. And I'd like to do things like podcasts and international speaking. So I've got a fun full plate.
Beth Lawrence: In your spare time, you do all of these things.
Kimberly Sauceda: In my spare time, yes.
Beth Lawrence: We create spare time, don't we? A few things that I loved about what you said. First of all, the title of your book, Meet Me on the Bridge. I also love that it's nine bricks. To create strong relationships at work, not tricks, but bricks.
It's something very different. To give context, relationships are extremely important to me. I've said this a lot on my podcast, but just in general, I would not be where I am today professionally, if it were not for my network, including people I've met online to the very, you know, first people that I met in person when I started networking.
So talk about meet me on the bridge. Talk to me, talk to me about that concept.
Kimberly Sauceda: I absolutely believe that every day you are always building a bridge or not with everyone. And so the fundamental idea here is that this is a bridge that you're building. Both sides need to build the bridge. If only one side is building the bridge, then.
It's a lookout. And really the nine bricks are how you build, how you then strengthen the bridge, and then how you either maintain or rebuild the bridge. So there are three bricks in each of those. And it's trust, respect, and connection are those first three. It's the fundamental part that you have to have that as that initial foundation.
What I love is this book is advice that is for a manager. It's advice if you are an employee. And I haven't really found books out there that are like that, right. That kind of give you tips on both sides of things. So it's not just how to be a great manager or Hey, how to handle it.
If you have a crummy manager, it's really how you have these strong relationships and even more amazing. Beth, is it, as I've been talking at different places this year, like, Roku or United Nations women or Bosch, people have said again and again, you know, what's cool is this isn't just for work.
It's also at home with your significant other. It's with your kids. It's also actually with yourself.
Beth Lawrence: That's amazing and relationships are a two way street So to your point a lot of work-related books/human resources-related books, we forget that there are two humans at least two humans in every relationship, and it's going to take effort on both sides.
And that speaks so much, not only to when you are managing or being managed or just working with folks interpersonally, but also, you know, in vendor relationships and what I do, there has to be mutually beneficial pieces to every relationship arrangement. And I love that it's also stretching out to yourself because especially I find a lot of the folks that I interview as type A or A plus people, we are very unkind to ourselves, no matter how kind and helpful we are to everybody else.
Kimberly Sauceda: It's so true. That bridge to yourself is such an important thing, and I find that so often we actually don't pay attention to that bridge, right? We don't pay attention to the narrative that is going on in our head, and that bridge is arguably the most important bridge that you do need to pay attention to.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah, and, and to your point, if you're not actually like having an internal dialogue, then these things that are internal will never really have any place to grow. They won't be questioned, your thoughts become things immediately. And once you start to have a dialogue with yourself, or at least be more introspective and really look at where those thoughts come from, I feel like that's, that's actually the bridge to any great relationship too, is really being secure with yourself and understanding your own boundaries.
How do boundaries come up in this because I find that that's something that's very challenging, not only with work, but especially personally, boundaries can be challenging because personal relationships don't feel as finite or they're not as categorized as a work relationship.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yes. Yeah, it's true. I love that you're talking about this because Boundaries are the way that we help people understand what our expectations are for ourself, for our relationship with them, whether that be at work or personally. And I think there's actually a really challenging thing because, A lot of the world kind of shoulds us, right, so you should be this way, you should always say yes to this, or, you should be this, you know, super performer or this super friend.
If somebody asks for something, you should say yes. But you have to check in with you and find out, okay, is this okay for the capacity that I have, for what I want to do, for the relationship, for me? And then it's, it's almost with some of the clients I work with, I say, look, you, you have permission to draw these boundaries.
And with a lot of the clients we talk about. If you were going to make your rules, what are they like, what are the rules of Beth, you know, and, and what do you want to have for you? What's important? And then those help you create those different boundaries that enable you to really show up as the best version of you, which then creates a better relationship.
If you're not holding to your boundaries, it's almost kind of confusing for the other person because they know how to be with you.
Beth Lawrence: You know, it's hysterical. It you, you're absolutely right. Of course. But you know, it's hysterical. I. I have always been a conflict averse person, or had always been, I'm learning now that that's not a bad thing, but I never wanted to create conflict.
And in that pursuit, I would not set boundaries, which would then create an enormous amount of confusion and conflict. It took up until a few years ago for me to realize like if you just say to people I prefer you email me instead of text me this information, most people are not going to flip out and leave you forever, you know, and like I started to just do little things like, hey, it actually is really easy.
It's much easier for me to keep track of things. If you just send me a quick email, that was the starting point to then saying, okay, I don't take meetings on Fridays or whatever those boundaries are now professionally that allow my clients to understand how best to interact with me. And it's so funny because I do that with my clients.
I ask them how best should I communicate with you? You know, when is the best day for us to meet? But I never thought to do the same thing for myself along the way.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah. And, and then how, how is your relationship with your clients then when you do that?
Beth Lawrence: Much, much better. Now I feel like I have dream clients, but I look back and in some of the scenarios, I'm like, I wasn't a dream vendor for these clients because I was probably confusing them and my job is to bring you clarity and help make things easier.
So it's so funny. I feel like a lot of type A people, especially people that are managers, we are people pleasers. So we inherently don't want to set those boundaries because we're like, well, people might not like me. But then we create all this Unnecessary conflict for ourselves. Do you see that a lot in your leadership training?
Kimberly Sauceda: Yes, for sure. Yeah, Especially with type a because people think oh, I've been pushing so hard So this is the thing that I have to keep doing I can't say no to something and yes, sometimes you also don't give your best if you are saying yes to everything And then that's, that's also not great, right?
Because either you're short changing you or you're short changing the project. And
Beth Lawrence: yes,
Kimberly Sauceda: creating those boundaries also enables you to have time for you. So I have clients that say, well, I'm just going to only sleep a few hours because I have all these other things that I need to do. And I feel guilty if I'm taking time for me and.
Again, some of it goes back to this bridge that you have with you and it's it's okay Look, why do we put ourselves? last and and not create these like boundaries for ourselves
Beth Lawrence: It's an ever never ending mystery. How did this do you think that can you identify with a lot of the type a? I mean, you mentioned a lot of hyphenates, right? We're all multi hyphenate. I think that that's what leads to what leads us to entrepreneurship, but could you see your type a manifesting when you were in the corporate world, especially in a lot of the high pressure roles that you have held throughout your career?
Kimberly Sauceda: Absolutely. I spent so much time both trying to fit in and be instead of me, like the perfect version of whatever they were looking for. And especially at Apple, right? I mean, it was such a pressure cooker and don't get me wrong, I learned so much at Apple. It was the best experience for how to tell stories, how to do slides, how to be a strategic thinker, I worked for some incredible people.
I mean, Jobs is probably the smartest person I, I've ever met on the face of this earth. It was also a very challenging position because they hire so many type A people and you can twist yourself into knots. Yeah. And, and it's very, it can be a very challenging place if you also don't make some time for you.
So here's the funny thing. Beth, when I was launching iPhone 6, I believe. I started training to run a half marathon, so I had no time, but I started doing that. You know why? Because I could do that and no one could critique it whatsoever. So in this weird way, I didn't run with anybody else because I wanted it just for me.
And it could be perfectly imperfect in a way, right? It was me showing up for me. It was the start of me starting to build that bridge for me. Because I was choosing to do something that was for me, even though, like, there was literally no time. Like, I was getting up so early. I am not an early person, Bath, at all.
Beth Lawrence: Oh my gosh. You know, the type A tendency to just, not only am I going to run, right? I'm not going to just start running. I'm going to run a half marathon. I'm going to train for a half marathon. That is just, that's like a microcosm of how we think, I think.
Kimberly Sauceda: It is! It is! Yeah, and it's so funny because when I say I hadn't run, like, I literally mean I had not ever run before.
I went from not running to signing up for a 5k that was in just a couple of weeks. Worst, like, 5k anybody's run. And I went from May signing up to whenever the Nike women's half was in like September, October that year. Right after the launch of the phone. Yeah, it was just, it was bananas.
It must have been October. Yeah,
Beth Lawrence: that's so, that's so wild. It's funny. I identify with that. I did something similar when I was working for a startup. I was launching, I launched nine stores. I launched the market itself in Philadelphia, launched nine stores, launched an app, got married, pitched an event to the mayor of Philly.
In April, totally new concept citywide, executed it by September and decided to start training to run at the same time. Why is it running? Why is it always running?
But it did, it wound up becoming that thing where I actually stopped tracking myself. I actually stopped even aspiring to do in my case, I, I stopped aspiring to do a race because I was like, wait, this is the thing that I do for myself.
And now it has just turned into my non negotiables. I need time in the morning outside before I start working.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yes.
Beth Lawrence: Like if I, cause otherwise I will sit down and I will not get up until it's dark out again.
Kimberly Sauceda: Right. Oh, again, type eight part, right? Like go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Yes. What are other things that you do for you?
Beth Lawrence: Love moving my body. So dance has always been something that's really close to my heart. And yoga, like going to the gym, it's just like a non negotiable for me. It makes me feel like I can tackle things any aggression or anxiety that the A plus the plus of a plus anything that I have in the morning where I'm like, I got to get this off me.
Physical activity and being outside is the best way that I can. That I do that.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah. Isn't it interesting when you do something for you, when you show up in those ways. That then you also have this thing that, like you're saying, then the stress of the day doesn't get to me as much. You know, your mind, can trick you and be like, No, no, no, you should be doing, tackling all this stuff first thing. But no, it's the opposite. If you take that time for you, then you can give so much more to others.
And that, I feel like, is such a good thing. And the thing that I talk about when I say connection in the book, it is the idea of what does that other person need for them to be their best self? And what do you need for you to be your best self? And so how do you also talk to that other person and say, what are the things that you need so that we can have this incredible relationship together? Some people think connection is just like, Hey, I want to have a good friendship with them. No connection as I'm defining it is really what is that other person need for them to show up in their best self so that you can have this genuine connection and this authenticity and I love like you're modeling it so well for how you do that with yourself.
Beth Lawrence: Thank you. I appreciate that. If you wouldn't mind, I would love for you to take me through the process of writing a book as a type A person, because I have always wanted to do it, but it's so amazing and so terrifying to me, and so I would love to hear about the process from your perspective.
Kimberly Sauceda: So here's the thing, is that If you look at the whole project, it can feel so daunting, especially as a type A, oh my gosh, I want this to be so good and it needs to be this way and it needs to be this. So the first thing is to break it down into smaller chunks, right?
So the first step is really. What are the different things that have kind of been important to you about this topic? We're just going to assume that you're going to write a nonfiction book. That's the thing I'm familiar with, so we're gonna go for that. And then, where do those little, like, nuggets go into stories? And then how do the stories then have lessons and then, and then setting that aside for a second, what is some research that you can tie into it? And then I went through a program and they had this incredible thing that was like, here are chapter layouts for you.
And so. Personal story, story that you got from someone else, research, lesson, you know, just kind of...
Beth Lawrence: we love a template. We love it.
Kimberly Sauceda: I do love a template, right?
Beth Lawrence: Yes, give me parameters.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yes, yes. I mean, I really like to nail, oh look, you did this well, good job, right?
Beth Lawrence: Yes, A+!
Kimberly Sauceda: A+! I will say though, for me, the A plus is coming more and more internally.
I feel like that's my bit of a reform from the type A. I, as I get older, I need the external validation a lot less.
Okay. Side note, I have my clients define what success is for themselves, not externally, like how you get that internally. Right. And so I also did that with the book. What does success look like for me?
Right. And success for me wasn't selling X number of copies. It was that I really wanted to get this message out into the world because I wanted people to have this template and this real world advice that felt really understandable and accessible. So, that's the other piece that I did at the end. I put here's some tips if you're a manager, and here's some tips if you're an employee.
Because I, I wanted this to be Hey, you can read this brick, and then you also can jump to this other brick, and then you can jump to these other bricks. And I also laid it out with like, if you're going to do this, read the building first, and then fine, you know, if you want, you can skip to the end, because hey, we all need to rebuild a bridge at some point.
And then the strengthening the bridge, right? And so, for me, I take The, the different pieces of the stories, put them into chapters, and then put the lessons and the tips at the end. And then I started playing with how it all looks together. Are these the three right bricks to go here? Are these the next three right bricks?
Are these the other three right bricks? And honestly, I had different bricks included, and I moved them around, and I played with them, and, and the, the one that is funny is the brick that really is about belief. That brick. I could not decide, should this be growth mindset? Should this be showing opportunities?
Should this be showing belief? Like, what should this be? And Beth, that was the one that, like, the Type A-ness so came out because I was like, I feel like this needs to be right. What's the right answer here? Maybe that isn't always a right answer. But oh, I agonized until, like, my editor was like, you have to make a decision.
Like you, you have to decide on this like that. It was one of the things that was, that was super hard. The other one was the cover of the book.
Beth Lawrence: Oh, that would be really challenging, I think, because there's so many things that go into it. The color, the font, the branding, the photo. Yeah, so much.
Kimberly Sauceda: Well, and it literally is the one time where people actually do judge a book by its cover.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah. I think the fear of everybody seeing this thing that you've worked so hard on, that is what keeps me back from it. Like, even just that small detail, like, what do you call this chapter? I feel like that would be what would hold me, what would take me the longest time.
Like, if I procrastinate, it's usually because I desire so much to get this thing right that I'm so scared that I won't and then I wind up having to do everything at the last minute. Do you know what I mean? Like people think people procrastinate because they're lazy and it's like, no, a lot of the times they're so overwhelmed and they want to do so well that like it's a, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yes. Right. Yeah. Because we, we hold onto how somebody else feels about us instead of, you know, doing the thing. Right.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah and realizing that when I read your book, it's not that I'm looking at the word that you chose, it's the lessons, it's the impact, it's the stories, it's not necessarily that word, but it's, our brains find so many different ways to keep us safe, don't they, in like such strange scenarios.
Kimberly Sauceda: Well, and it's funny because in some ways, you know, we are the hero and villain of the own film that we have kind of going on in our head, but we're really not the main character in anybody else's like...
Beth Lawrence: right.
Kimberly Sauceda: Maybe, maybe with your significant other, but chances are, there's still the main character in their own
Beth Lawrence: in a healthy relationship. They should be their, their own main character, you know, in my opinion.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah, exactly. And for sure, you're, you're not the main character with your kids. They are their own main character. So really, I think in so many ways, we worry about things that maybe we can let go of a bit more.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah, maybe, exactly.
Maybe other people, it didn't even land or hit the other person and we're agonizing over it. I was actually going to ask you if you don't mind talking about Being type A as a parent, my husband and I don't want children, that journey is not for us, but I'm always, first of all, I immensely respect parents, obviously.
And I'm always. Especially amazed by how much parents continue to accomplish outside of parenting, because I feel like it's exhausting and challenging. And I was wondering how being Type A you think shows up in being a parent at all?
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah, I mean, I, I think it does so much because you want to do the quote unquote right thing.
By your child and here's the thing, you were just saying "Oh, we love a template." Well, there's no real good template for how to raise a child. And even if there was, they're so different. I have two boys. And one is almost 18 and one is 14 and they adore each other and they are very different.
I could not parent them the exact same way because they are very different. And so I almost have to let go of this idea that there is a right way to do it. But what I will say is that I imperfectly try to build a bridge with them each day. And I think especially the hard thing is that now my almost 18 year old, you know, as a parent, you look at your child and you see that baby still.
And he's not at all, right? So the letting go is also hard for Type A because you want so much for them. But the thing that you really should be focused on is how do you teach them how to build bridges? How do you build a bridge that is really, really good and important for them? So they will come back to you and tell you those important things when they're happening.
And that they also are independent enough that they're, they're going to fall. They're going to make choices. And you let them know that you love them.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah. Oh my gosh, that would be so hard.
Kimberly Sauceda: It is! Well, and the last piece too, Beth, is also, don't beat yourself up too much because, you know, you're going to be imperfect at it. No child is going to turn to you and be like, Thank you so much for, you know, giving me all of these boundaries and for making sure that my homework was turned in and, you know, letting me fall and, you know, like. Yeah. So,
Beth Lawrence: yeah, that might come later in life, but it might not.
Kimberly Sauceda: RIght. Yeah. I mean, I've, I've reached the age with my kids that believe I know nothing and maybe somewhere between like, I don't know, 25 and somewhere in their 30s, there will be a realization that maybe I knew a few things.
Beth Lawrence: Believe me, I probably thought my parents knew nothing at that age as well. I would assume. I wanted to get out of the house. I wanted to be on my own. Yeah, I think that that's a natural part of like the friction of it all, but it would probably be excruciating to deal with as, as a parent.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah, and I think that the rebuilding of the bridge is a key part to really pay attention to when you have kids, it doesn't matter the age, this whole idea of rebuilding the bridge, being really curious and listening to them.
There was this incredible quote about, listen to your kids when they're talking to you about the little things, because the little things for them are big what they're little.
And then they will tell you the big things. That feel little to them when they're big I maybe messed that up just a little bit But you know what? I mean, right? It's it's really listening to to your kids and sometimes when they're sassy is a little little challenging to remember that during these teenage years and Building a bridge is just, it's such an important thing and, you know, with anyone and everyone it's all about progress and the journey.
Beth Lawrence: Yeah. Progress in the journey is tough. I think type a people also really love the destination and realizing that there is no destination. It's just like an ever changing, ever evolving. That's challenging, but I think there's also some like real relief in that as well.
I would love for you to take me through in A work relationship how how to rebuild because a lot of the times I think with work it can be really easy to say well, I'm leaving this job or I just hate this place and I'm just leaving.
But it's like, really, that's not a great way to go about it. I've not really done that in my career. And if I had, it's a very conscious choice that took a long time to make. But for those people that maybe feel like the bridge there's, you know, there's nothing on the other side. How do you rebuild?
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah. So those three bricks, right, it is all about creating a culture of curiosity, which really is talking to the other person and trying to understand what their needs are; the biggest challenge that I have found is that there are unsaid expectations.
And when you have unsaid expectations, then there is this miscommunication. So if you can get really curious, then you can then understand what those are. And so that second brick is all about, active listening. Not just paying attention to like, Oh, you know, I'm feeling really defensive. I want to jump in and say this, but really listening to that other person.
And then the third brick, which is actually technically the ninth brick is this ownership with consistency. So how do you listen and talk to them and have some awareness. Here's how I showed up in this. And here's my part. And, and then, you know, then they also own their part and you show up in this different way.
And so when you look at that, as far as a work relationship, there's so many ways that this has played out for me. I once walked into a boardroom and I thought I was going in to pitch something and that it was just going to be a layup, that everybody was absolutely fine. I walked in to find out that the head of sales was so upset and he had his arms crossed and he was leaning back and he was so mad.
And I had to get really curious and start talking to him to understand what was happening. And it really was a misunderstanding until I started talking to this person and we had this really good dialogue and I listened to him.
And we started building this much better relationship. Now if I hadn't done that if I just been like "you're a jerk , pound sand, I didn't do any of this. I could have done that right? it could have been mad and I know an awful lot of people that get mad and and say "pound sand," I'm just gonna burn the bridge down. Right? Yeah, I'm gonna
leave or I'm gonna whatever.
Beth Lawrence: Who needs this bridge anyway? I don't need to come back here ever again. You never know.
Kimberly Sauceda: Exactly. Rage quit, right? I know a fair amount of people that have rage quit and I will say that you can always rebuild the bridge. You know, you go to those, those three bricks. And what's amazing about those three bricks is it's the first three that it's reinforcing to.
You're showing that you have respect for that other person, you're rebuilding that trust with that other person and you're figuring out the things that they need and talking about the things that you need. So you're furthering that connection that, how do I show up and how do you show up?
Beth Lawrence: I hope the listeners are really taking this to heart because it can really feel, especially right now, everything feels hyper, like we're in a pressure cooker. And I think sometimes work situations can just feel insurmountable. But to think about the other person as a human being, who's probably also said the wrong thing, made a mistake, had a miscommunication in their life, had a day where they raged out or hung up on somebody, I think there's ways, like you mentioned, demonstrated ways to handle things with tact and to be curious.
I think sometimes. As a type a person, it can be hard to be curious or to lead with curiosity because you want to feel like you had the right answer. If you didn't have the right answer, it means that you're not perfect and that you didn't get an A plus and you didn't do all the things right. And the more that I've leaned into that curiosity and that dialogue as I have matured, especially in business, much, much, much better outcomes for everyone involved.
And even if a bridge is burned, you can still open up that dialogue and have that communication and say, I'm so sorry, reflecting back these things happen. And I've even had relationships where clients and I, who have departed in not the best of ways have come back together. And both said like, look, we were both in a pressure cooker at the time.
Sorry, let's agree to disagree. Let's move forward. And it's been a wonderful relationship in multiple cases. So it's really just getting over that fear is a huge part of it. It sounds
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Kimberly Sauceda: the fear. And then also exactly what you were talking about, this idea that potentially you're raw. God forbid or asking for help or asking for clarification.
I think sometimes it's type a, we're like, wait, that's a weakness or having empathy is weak, but it's actually not. It's the way to have an incredible relationship with somebody. And I can't tell you the times that people have said to me, oh, no, no. I need results. I don't have time for this fluffy relationship stuff, Kimberly, but it is actually really good relationships that drive the results.
Relationships are the backbone of any organization thriving. And it's actually why my leadership program is called results through relationships. Right.
Beth Lawrence: I was going to ask you that.
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah, because you can't. It's the way that. So I did this iPhone refurb program, right? I did it right when we were so busy, we were starting to ramp.
We had all of these different things that were going on. And I had all these people I needed to talk to and I went and I talked to them and I said look I know That you were completely Underwater with everything, and this is adding to your work.
However, we have this mountain of iPhones and I'd really love, you know, for us to be able to do this and Beth within just like a few short months, we were able to get the program up and running and it is because of incredible relationships. That that was actually possible because when you have high trust, high respect, and you know, the things that people need, you can move so much more quickly and, and it was just, and it was, it was a fun project.
So it's crazy in the middle of all this stress. We had so, so much fun with all of it.
Beth Lawrence: That's amazing. Oh, thank you so much. I think you have so many different things to, different like perspectives to talk about, which I really love. And. I just want to thank you for taking the time to be on this podcast today.
How can folks get in touch with you after this? Where can they find your book, leadership, coaching information, all of that?
Kimberly Sauceda: Yeah. So the book is Meet me on the Bridge. And you can also find me at my website, from overwhelmed to unstoppable. That has all the different things and you can connect with me there or LinkedIn. My name is Kimberly Sauceda and I'm happy to chat with people. About anything that they would like to do, elevating skills, looking for leadership programs, or if you feel like your organization just is not thriving the way that you want it to be, like I said, I work with a lot of people in HR and leaders in marketing or product marketing, different places.
And I've really helped organizations turn their culture around leaders. So happy to connect with people. And I've loved talking to you, Beth. And so if any anyone listening has any questions, feel free to send me a note on LinkedIn or contact me with my website. Love to chat about any of the different parts of this with you.
Beth Lawrence: Thank you so much. And please listeners do get in touch with Kimberly. She is someone who actually follows through on her promises, which is also very, very rare. Thank you so much, Kimberly. And thank you to everyone listening. Take care.